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	<title>Comments on: A dash of overconfidence ruins the soul</title>
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	<description>Crunky! This is a blog about an English teacher living in South Korea.</description>
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		<title>By: NathanB</title>
		<link>http://blog.torgodevil.com/archives/146#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>NathanB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad things worked out for you, Torgodevil!  Good luck with the return flight later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad things worked out for you, Torgodevil!  Good luck with the return flight later!</p>
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		<title>By: torgodevil</title>
		<link>http://blog.torgodevil.com/archives/146#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>torgodevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been working at another university at the time, so it was a bit of a slap in the face to not get a call. I did get a better job  as a result of a little more searching, but beefing up my qualifications with some certification is something I'll be doing before I plan to move on to another school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been working at another university at the time, so it was a bit of a slap in the face to not get a call. I did get a better job  as a result of a little more searching, but beefing up my qualifications with some certification is something I&#8217;ll be doing before I plan to move on to another school.</p>
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		<title>By: NathanB</title>
		<link>http://blog.torgodevil.com/archives/146#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>NathanB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 06:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it is perfectly standard for employers not to tell prospective candidates that they have no chance at all.  Don't worry too much about that; we've all been there at some point.  Getting your first university job isn't as easy as getting a hagwon or a public school position, but it can be done, with patience and perseverence--and qualifications and experience.  A Master's degree or a CELTA/TESL certificate is more or less required in most places, I think, but you can get positions outside of Seoul with only an undergrad.  I'm not sure how easy that is, but I have seen postings that didn't require either a graduate degree or an EFL/ESL certificate.  I suspect that such positions will become rarer, as the number of people who have such credentials rises.  Actually, I have seen a position at a "SKY" institution that only required a B.A.; it was for teaching non-credit classes to adults and children.  

As far as elementary schools go, they often pay better than universities, do, and the jobs are easier to get.  I always find that something of a paradox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is perfectly standard for employers not to tell prospective candidates that they have no chance at all.  Don&#8217;t worry too much about that; we&#8217;ve all been there at some point.  Getting your first university job isn&#8217;t as easy as getting a hagwon or a public school position, but it can be done, with patience and perseverence&#8211;and qualifications and experience.  A Master&#8217;s degree or a CELTA/TESL certificate is more or less required in most places, I think, but you can get positions outside of Seoul with only an undergrad.  I&#8217;m not sure how easy that is, but I have seen postings that didn&#8217;t require either a graduate degree or an EFL/ESL certificate.  I suspect that such positions will become rarer, as the number of people who have such credentials rises.  Actually, I have seen a position at a &#8220;SKY&#8221; institution that only required a B.A.; it was for teaching non-credit classes to adults and children.  </p>
<p>As far as elementary schools go, they often pay better than universities, do, and the jobs are easier to get.  I always find that something of a paradox.</p>
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		<title>By: torgodevil</title>
		<link>http://blog.torgodevil.com/archives/146#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>torgodevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there much difference in the working conditions offered to you as a foreigner and your wife as Korean? Is there much difference in salaries?

Yes. There would be an SIGNIFICANT difference between the two schools. The new job has its perks, but they are slightly intangible. The salary is nearly the same,  but the quality of the materials, students, and facilities , vacation time (?), and benefits were far superior at the job I wanted to get.

Between what's offered to me and what's offered to my wife? It's like night and day. I'll work part time, less than 20 hours at the new  school. Come in later, leave earlier. I'll have less preparatory requirements. Don't have to contact mothers/parents. I'll get paid significantly higher per hour. I'll have more pull to make demands. I'll be treated much more importantly. Etc. Korean teachers get the SHAFT here compared to spoiled foreigners. 

If I worked there with my wife, the other teachers are intimidated that we would make too effective a "team" to get what we want and make them look bad. The advantages for her getting me as a work partner once more is the fact that I can help her with her work, like evaluations. I can make the expressions easier to translate, or help focus on needs more intensively.</description>
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<p>Yes. There would be an SIGNIFICANT difference between the two schools. The new job has its perks, but they are slightly intangible. The salary is nearly the same,  but the quality of the materials, students, and facilities , vacation time (?), and benefits were far superior at the job I wanted to get.</p>
<p>Between what&#8217;s offered to me and what&#8217;s offered to my wife? It&#8217;s like night and day. I&#8217;ll work part time, less than 20 hours at the new  school. Come in later, leave earlier. I&#8217;ll have less preparatory requirements. Don&#8217;t have to contact mothers/parents. I&#8217;ll get paid significantly higher per hour. I&#8217;ll have more pull to make demands. I&#8217;ll be treated much more importantly. Etc. Korean teachers get the SHAFT here compared to spoiled foreigners. </p>
<p>If I worked there with my wife, the other teachers are intimidated that we would make too effective a &#8220;team&#8221; to get what we want and make them look bad. The advantages for her getting me as a work partner once more is the fact that I can help her with her work, like evaluations. I can make the expressions easier to translate, or help focus on needs more intensively.</p>
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		<title>By: daeguowl</title>
		<link>http://blog.torgodevil.com/archives/146#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>daeguowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's the first lesson they teach you at HR school, although normally they will say "only successful applicants will be contacted"

In the UK you have the right to call someone up and ask where your application fell short</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s the first lesson they teach you at HR school, although normally they will say &#8220;only successful applicants will be contacted&#8221;</p>
<p>In the UK you have the right to call someone up and ask where your application fell short</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"they hadn’t bothered to even call me back to tell me I wasn’t even in the running for a job"

This happened to me a lot when I was looking for teaching/university jobs.  There must be some sort of international class in educational administration where they teach managers to treat potential employees like sh*t.  Not only is it unprofessional, its just plain mean.  We're adults, and human beings.  How about some respect?  The worst is when you go in for the second of two interviews and then don't get a call, which is explicitly promised at the end of the interview, but instead they just send a rejection letter a month late.  Farging iceholes.</description>
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<p>This happened to me a lot when I was looking for teaching/university jobs.  There must be some sort of international class in educational administration where they teach managers to treat potential employees like sh*t.  Not only is it unprofessional, its just plain mean.  We&#8217;re adults, and human beings.  How about some respect?  The worst is when you go in for the second of two interviews and then don&#8217;t get a call, which is explicitly promised at the end of the interview, but instead they just send a rejection letter a month late.  Farging iceholes.</p>
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		<title>By: daeguowl</title>
		<link>http://blog.torgodevil.com/archives/146#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>daeguowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there much difference in the working conditions offered to you as a foreigner and your wife as Korean?  Is there much difference in salaries?</description>
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