Finding a house is a bit different here.
Korean life May 8th. 2008, 11:16pmTo disclose something up front, I’ve never bought a house before. This means that I’m actually more familiar with the Korean process of looking for homes than I am in the American system. In Korea, there are realtor offices basically every block. In the small grocery store in our apartment has at LEAST two on the first floor, and there might even be more on the second floor if we ever went up there to explore. They are everywhere. Any closet space big enough for a map of the neighborhood has a realor infesting it. Along with kimbap restaurants and mobile phone salesmen, there are so many realtors that it’s hard to believe they all have something to do.
There isn’t even very much LAND in Korea. How do they keep busy? People swap apartments much more easily than Americans swap houses. Apartment prices rise and fall on a whim here. It’s insane. Prices can fluctuate 20%+ from year to year in just this city.
When development is hot in a neighborhood, people are fiercely competitive about grabbing up and inflating the land prices. The prices of apartments also connect to politics, social expectations, education, and anything else that moves house prices in other countries. It just is accelerated here.
What do people look for in an apartment? A general rule is to treat an apartment like a bunker during a war. The closer you are to the center, the less damage you are going to recieve. Here are some of the rationale I’ve heard from different people in the past week about what makes for a good apartment:
- The difference in price between an apartment on the first floor, and an apartment on the second floor can be 20%. An apartment on a “Royal” floor (in the middle of the apartment building) is sometimes 30% higher than the bottom floor. Everyone also avoids the top floor because of the heating costs.
- You could buy a lower floor apartment, but never a first floor apartment, if you want to have many visitors. If too many people come to your apartment in an elevator, the people on the elevator “line” will complain you are using a disproportionate amount of electic and will demand gifts. (SERIOUSLY).
- If you have an apartment near a road, your plants will die on your veranda. Getting somethng in the middle of the block is better because less pollution is around.
- If you don’t buy a new apartment, you’ll almost always be expected to pay for new wall paper and floors. Also, all remodelling is done BEFORE you move in. No one remodels an apartment by themselves.
- The difference between a 26 pyeong and a 25 pyeong apartment being livable for a couple always comes down to how intelligently it was designed. A badly designed apartment with a front approach to all apartments on a floor will lose you space in the apartment. An elevator shaft approach with 2 apartments on each side will gain you space.
Here are some tips that I’d pass on for anyone getting involved in this process (ZenKimchi, looking in your direction.)
Tips:
Despite the government’s insistence that things be measured in square meters, everyone uses pyeong, the traditional Korean measurement of area. Get to know it and use it comfortably before you go looking at ANYTHING with a realtor. Find out what your current apartment is measured in. Ask people to size things in pyeong when you go somewhere. Learn this measurement. (1 pyeong is 3.3 meters squared) (1 pyeong is 35.58 square feet for metric neophytes)
Before ever talking to a realtor, make it a habit to stop outside their offices. The words 매매 “Mae Mae” in Korean mean “Apartment for sale”. When you look at a listing, note the apartment location and block, the size, the floor, and the price. That is the rubric to which apartments are compared. The price is always listed on the sheets hanging out in front of a realtor. That is th asking price. Depending on the situation you can usually knock off a few million won from that price.
Once you narrow it down between, say, two or three apartments of the same size, in a close proximitry to where you want to live, that are roughly the same price, contact the realtor to see the apartments themselves. Then you can decide if you need to remodel before moving in, or if the design of the place is suitable.
We can arrange most viewings in little more than a few hours. We can call ahead if we need to see it at a specific time, or even drop into a realtor’s office, ask to see any of the places listed outside, and see them withing an hour. We have viewed three or more houses in under an hour. Be warned that an apartment you looked at on Monday MIGHT be closed and gone on Tuesday if someone saw it and made a better deal.
There are bank repossesion auctions online that can let you save a lot of money, but the houses that come up for bid are distributed almost by random chance, and it would be a miracle to find something that met all your criteria for finding a place that also happened to be going cheaply.
You can go to a bank and find out how much the average apartment in a complex is worth, how much the max loan a bank will give for any given apartment block, and if the apartments are tending to rise or lower in price. They update this weekly, but you only get this kind of information if you tell them you are looking at a place and need to know how much you need to get a loan. I doubt they’d tell you unless you hinted you were about to buy an apartment and wanted to know how high the asking price was from the median price of the apartments in the area.
Once you find an apartment, stike hard and fast, and push any grandmothers out of the way that might be on their way to the realtor’s office to steal your dream apartment. This is just a rough guide in my experience, but I am not dealing with any of the financial or legal headaches involved in the process. My lovely wife has all the stress, and I just come along for the ride.
10 Responses to “Finding a house is a bit different here.”
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May 9th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Too funny. I stopped everything to read your post when I saw the title. Then saw my name in the middle.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:03 am
We found out for sure today that we can’t stay in our beloved apartment. Too many people are lining up for it, so the price is going through the roof–30 million won more.
May 9th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Eh? I’m not sure I understand that… Surely if you’re on the first floor then only people on higher floors would need to use the elevator to visit you.
May 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am
@3 There is an internal logic to buying a Korean apartment that is confusing at first, but slowly makes sense if you look at it like an insane miser ALWAYS trying to save money on EVERY possible thing.
For example, if you had a group or meeting that regularly took place in your 15th floor apartment (say a daily class), you’d be expected to pay more money to use the apartment’s elevator constantly. Who monitors and complains about elevator use? Bored Korean housewives complain about ANYTHING that costs them ANY amount of won in my experience.
Never buy a first floor apartment. First floor apartments are the most expensive to heat, and share their warmth with all apartments above them while needing to heat the cold floor in winter. They also have the most problems with break ins and people annoying you at the door. You will need to bar your windows, and learn to tolerate drunk people talking late at night outside your window. Also, cars parking at all times of the day making noises is annoying.
The “penthouse” apartments require cooling in summer because they soak up the sun and get too hot. Anything you save in winter by being heated is lost in summer. Insulation is nonexistent in concrete houses, so they heat and cool with the sun more than I was used to.
Anything less than the fifth floor is bothered by traffic noise, pedestrians, and pollution from buses. Anything on the outside wall of the apartment can be affected by the weather more if the concrete is cheap. There is also the chance of water damage if the concrete isn’t sealed correctly, and mold is a serious problem in cheaper apartments.
The “Royal” floors are around 8-10 stories up, right in the middle. They get heated on all sides from other apartments, don’t have to deal with people always walking up to solicit stuff (Unless determined), and they don’t hear traffic noise. They are tall enough to be higher than the tree line, and get the most light as well. These “Royal” floors can run 20% more expensive than the less desirable floors in a complex.
I know families that will move from lower floors to higher floors in the SAME apartment complex just to say they live in the “Royal floor” area.
May 9th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
How are you finding the prospect of getting a loan?? Are the banks willing to lend to you?
May 10th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Ironically, the reason we are buying, instead of putting down a really large key money deposit and living rent free is that we can only get a certain type of loan. The loan we’d need to cover the difference for renting with a large deposit is HARDER to get because you are renting and have no collateral they can seize if it goes bad.
Banks require a document proving a certain quality of employment with long term benefits and safety when giving a key money loan. BUYING an apartment doesn’t require quite as stringent document. I was told that if I want to put MY name on the loan, I need some sort of document, and that selling the apartment later would lead to “complications”.
I have NO idea what the process for getting a loan for foreigners is like in Korea. I’m lucky to have a Korean wife that is willing to shop around endlessly to find the best deal.
May 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Do 1st floor dwellers have to pay for a percentage of elevator usage even though they don’t use it? Also, do you have to pay misc. building fees, like garbage, security, and parking?
May 11th, 2008 at 12:09 am
So I wonder, if the foreigners name is not on the doucment, in case of divorce does that make it difficult to prove that he’s contributed anything to the capital invested in the property? One could be seriously shafted in case of a bitter break-up!!
May 11th, 2008 at 9:43 am
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May 11th, 2008 at 9:54 am
@7 First and second floor usually do NOT have to pay for any elevator related fees. Of course you have to pay for the other utility fees that the apartment provides. You get a vote during any change of service. Someone canvases the apartment when there is a change of policy in the apartment.
The recycling programs pull in a net profit to the apartment, so some upgrades and services are paid for with revenue from those ventures. Their is usually an organization set up with the housewives that decide how to spend that money for the apartment. For example, our current apartment set up a toll gate for the apartment to catch people that park in our apartment block without living here.